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How do you fix it #2?

Post  Cyclo on Sun Dec 04, 2011 5:05 pm

The last one seemed reasonably successful. This time I will add in any suggestions to the top of this thread rather than simply making people/lala read through the entire thread.

The current issue: Zeros
How would you buff this character into tier 1-2 without making it overpowered?

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Re: How do you fix it #2?

Post  shmo11100 on Sun Dec 04, 2011 5:15 pm

How about giving him splash damage

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Re: How do you fix it #2?

Post  SadFace on Sun Dec 04, 2011 5:30 pm

to the guy above -__________-

as for a terrible level 1-2 i think thats kinda part of his trait XD, heck semikim said he wasnt even gonna bother buffing the earlygame

tho i would like to see a different ulti to warlock, cos there is essentially no good use of it, if u were goin in a game planning to use it u might as well go bh/gh and if u got forced to use it chances are u gonna lose anyway cos ur up against another melee and their comboes are all more fluid than urs unless u got the first hit

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Re: How do you fix it #2?

Post  Pseudoku on Sun Dec 04, 2011 5:38 pm

shmo11100 wrote:How about giving him splash damage

I'm seriously starting to wonder how much CT you've actually played...

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Re: How do you fix it #2?

Post  pacman on Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:01 pm

^^ lol

anway, warlock is one of my favorite ultis in the game T_T
just buff its damage to make it more viable

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Re: How do you fix it #2?

Post  laserrain on Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:08 pm

pacman wrote:
warlock

i believe its warlord strike

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Re: How do you fix it #2?

Post  Modesty on Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:16 pm

I would like if they change warlord range, so you could aim with it.
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Re: How do you fix it #2?

Post  shmo11100 on Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:40 pm

Zeros has splash damage but not a very good one
Hehe I play ct a lot but I'm not all that good cause I don't use hotkeys

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Re: How do you fix it #2?

Post  NoonEe on Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:02 pm

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Re: How do you fix it #2?

Post  SadFace on Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:22 pm

loool

warlock is fun but tbh its basically just finalstrike with a set distance and a wierd follow up combo (well not that wierd but its not 100% intuitive to use zcx/xcz instead of cxz) and the whole lot does less than final combo, would like it to be a more interesting attack than just another generic high damage blinkstrike

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Re: How do you fix it #2?

Post  pacman on Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:49 pm

wtf u dont know how to ws zeros. it IS fcxz (same as my blade combo).

the full combo in mid/late game is g -> cz cxz fcx (against a kiting caster)
against melee just use all ur skills nonstop

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Re: How do you fix it #2?

Post  SungJ on Sun Dec 04, 2011 8:02 pm

Warlord has its own advantages compared to Final Blow. Longer reach, overlapping damage, higher burst, etc.
The thing about Zeros atm is lvl1-2. You can't survive this early game at all if opponent knows how to vs 0s.
The only part that Zeros needs buff if any is normal attack damage imo.

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Re: How do you fix it #2?

Post  Cyclo on Sun Dec 04, 2011 8:15 pm

Semikim won't buff early game. What you could do instead, is buff Warlord Strikes damage to make it worth it and make DTS slightly faster. This would make Zeros have a better mid-lategame to compensate for his terrible earlygame.

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Re: How do you fix it #2?

Post  SungJ on Sun Dec 04, 2011 9:00 pm

Cyclo wrote:Semikim won't buff early game. What you could do instead, is buff Warlord Strikes damage to make it worth it and make DTS slightly faster. This would make Zeros have a better mid-lategame to compensate for his terrible earlygame.

I don't think it's a good idea. WS and DTS are already useful enough. I hope SemiKim takes just one step back.

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Re: How do you fix it #2?

Post  Cyclo on Sun Dec 04, 2011 9:30 pm

Personally I would give him a normal attack buff but that will never happen because Semikim specifically said that he won't do it. I'm trying to suggest changes that will actually be implemented.

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Re: How do you fix it #2?

Post  SungJ on Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:11 pm

Well he did say he won't buff early game Zeros but that is the only problematic issue Zeros has atm with balance.

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Re: How do you fix it #2?

Post  SadFace on Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:50 pm

pacman wrote:wtf u dont know how to ws zeros. it IS fcxz (same as my blade combo).

the full combo in mid/late game is g -> cz cxz fcx (against a kiting caster)
against melee just use all ur skills nonstop

cx has a delay, xc is instant (its similar to ff's cf /fc situation or lur's cx/xc)... this sorta makes a difference if the first thing they do is try to run past u the moment u blinkstrike or if ur going for a clutch kill(the delay is also true for dts cf /fc)... basically c has a stupid delay after the move

EDIT: making the x a little more consistent in where the hell it hits could be handy

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Re: How do you fix it #2?

Post  pacman on Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:00 pm

so with ff i should fc?? i will try that out


anway, back to the point: maybe im the only person who remembers this history, but back in the earliest days, during leauge 1 + 2 korean tourneys,
every match had a zeros + lur who dominated. they were teh strongest heros by SO FAR. lur had insane hook combo (1 sec cd on both c and x).
zeros... well, zeros was the exact same as now except only two things!
1. 10 sec cooldown on dts -> 13 (bad, but not really that big a deal)
2. 1 stat point in attack (lvl 4 attack, not 3) so he had like +3 damage on autoattack.
as far as i can remember, those are the only 2 changes stopping him from being the best char.

so, be careful about what you wish for.

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Re: How do you fix it #2?

Post  Cyclo on Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:06 pm

I used to main Zeros so I'm slightly biased on this issue. But he has less health than most/all the other melees so even if his AA was comparable to say BH or Lur he still would be weaker since he has less starting hp.

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Re: How do you fix it #2?

Post  SadFace on Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:58 am

yea but the issue is he carries much ebtter and tanks range much better in mid-late

and @pac: fc for ff is a mid-late otherwise the pot regen gimps u

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Re: How do you fix it #2?

Post  SungJ on Mon Dec 05, 2011 3:25 am

pacman wrote:so with ff i should fc?? i will try that out


anway, back to the point: maybe im the only person who remembers this history, but back in the earliest days, during leauge 1 + 2 korean tourneys,
every match had a zeros + lur who dominated. they were teh strongest heros by SO FAR. lur had insane hook combo (1 sec cd on both c and x).
zeros... well, zeros was the exact same as now except only two things!
1. 10 sec cooldown on dts -> 13 (bad, but not really that big a deal)
2. 1 stat point in attack (lvl 4 attack, not 3) so he had like +3 damage on autoattack.
as far as i can remember, those are the only 2 changes stopping him from being the best char.

so, be careful about what you wish for.

Normal attack was 25. Charge was available from lvl0. Zeros had 4 magic stats.

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Re: How do you fix it #2?

Post  Cyclo on Mon Dec 05, 2011 4:04 am

Just make normal attack 25 and it will make Zeros good.

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Re: How do you fix it #2?

Post  Macanas on Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:44 am

change warlord for a mode

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Re: How do you fix it #2?

Post  pacman on Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:00 am

@ sadface: no, i checked several times. xcf if shift queued comes out instantly (even with 3 attack points, instantly kills a tank Very Happy )
xfc on the other hand, shift queued takes half a second to cast

(btw, i bought 5 mana packs so i had 900+ mana. regen was not an issue here. xcf is simply superior... NEVER DOUBT NENDD'S COMBOS AGAIN Razz )

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Re: How do you fix it #2?

Post  SadFace on Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:23 am

lol k my bad, i swear it was true XD

but my point for zeros is still valid with fc/xc if u want all the purple to hit at once

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