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Post  lifeless on Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:55 am

when i was horus or what ever melee attacker i just fighting gaia and he blocks me in some corner or place with those line attacks then the volcano
i am stuck there and i helplessly watching me dead without doing anything
And that slow abillity and vision sight too
Slow+stuck+no vision=almost all melee heros lost

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Re: Gaia needs balance

Post  Cyclo on Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:23 am

Well, it requires about 200mana to be safe if a melee comes charging up the ramp. Vs. Gaia I would say go card+pot kill with the pot push with the card he gets creep denied so he has no gas. Continue killing him whenever you see him so they never get enough gas for regen. That way they will never have enough regen to use both earthqaukes and volcanos to trap you places. So they will never build up enough levels and regen to start effectively holding you off and with no map control+tower camping it can become impossible to win. This works if you can get off a mana pot snipe. Gaia is one of the best antimelees but she's not an auto-win.

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Re: Gaia needs balance

Post  Thrallsa on Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:59 am

Just get used to it, every hero is good vs melee in some way(atleast in the Tier 1 list)

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Re: Gaia needs balance

Post  SadFace on Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:25 am

b9 isnt unless u get the jump on them, geist isnt all that great against melee unless its against duran, GH is a melee and so is horus, arcane gets actively destroyed by duran/horus/lur(for some reason lur deactivates his shield)

as for the gaia thing, gaia on low ground is pathetic but gaia on highground is just stupid Sad

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Post  Rip on Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:30 am

(for some reason lur deactivates his shield)
Hook prevents shield

Well, it requires about 200mana to be safe if a melee comes charging up the ramp
Same as Janne....

when i was horus or what ever melee attacker i just fighting gaia and he blocks me in some corner or place with those line attacks then the volcano
i am stuck there and i helplessly watching me dead without doing anything
And that slow abillity and vision sight too
Slow+stuck+no vision=almost all melee heros lost

Melee is made to snipe and gaia is one of the fastest kill ever if u can ambush her...if u can't then don't play melee cauz u'll lose vs anything that can slow/trap u and u'll end up ragequitting every single game
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Re: Gaia needs balance

Post  DrCloak on Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:31 am

She s quite op as all new heros but i think she will be nerfed soon

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Post  SadFace on Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:57 am

dat volcano is incredibly efficient for creep and the spear is just so damn annoyin T__T and also if u spear a finalblow the spear wins out XD

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Re: Gaia needs balance

Post  Modesty on Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:59 am

SadFace wrote:dat volcano is incredibly efficient for creep

I think this is the biggest problem.
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Re: Gaia needs balance

Post  SadFace on Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:04 am

if ur fast she actually has an amazing panic counter, spear->curse->zzf and throw a random speaar or 2 if u think that wont kill them

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Re: Gaia needs balance

Post  NoonEe on Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:07 am

Modesty wrote:
SadFace wrote:dat volcano is incredibly efficient for creep

I think this is the biggest problem.

I think thats the only problem
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Post  Modesty on Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:09 am

NoonEe wrote:
Modesty wrote:
SadFace wrote:dat volcano is incredibly efficient for creep

I think this is the biggest problem.

I think thats the only problem

The z-spell in combination with hg/ramps is sometimes really fucked up. Its like no skill constant trap.
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Post  NoonEe on Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:12 am

Kinda true, but I dont think you can fix that without making the skill useless in lategame. Maybe less damage and buff X i dunno.
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Post  Modesty on Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:16 am

NoonEe wrote:Kinda true, but I dont think you can fix that without making the skill useless in lategame. Maybe less damage and buff X i dunno.

Yeah i dont know how to fix it. But when you trap someone with z-skill and they cant get away its the most lol ever. It's like doing the constant FF auto atk with Janne but easier and maybe not so BM.
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Re: Gaia needs balance

Post  NoonEe on Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:28 am

Well, I hope that janne will be about forcefields again after patch, nowadays shes only about curse and balls, no need for trapfields, only to block ramps if youre scared -.-

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Re: Gaia needs balance

Post  Cyclo on Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:45 pm

Forcefields feel integral to Janne sitting on high ground. It costs Janne 50 energy only that's about 25% of the energy required for gaia to do the same. Gaia's strenght is the v is so strong that you can think your safe and they shoot that out of the fog for an instant snipe. The ultimate was buffed beyond belief. Rather than making earthquake or her x stronger they made Gaia's ultimate insanely strong. I however am fine with Gaia at the moment because like Janne she's insanely good, borderline OP, but since they both require skill to use most people don't use them. Instead they'll play as Fang Dong Feng an incredibly easy yet effective hero, same thing with Horus. If heroes are going to be OP I say let them be extremely hard to use so that hampers the OPness.

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Post  Modesty on Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:02 pm

Cyclo wrote:Forcefields feel integral to Janne sitting on high ground. It costs Janne 50 energy only that's about 25% of the energy required for gaia to do the same. Gaia's strenght is the v is so strong that you can think your safe and they shoot that out of the fog for an instant snipe. The ultimate was buffed beyond belief. Rather than making earthquake or her x stronger they made Gaia's ultimate insanely strong. I however am fine with Gaia at the moment because like Janne she's insanely good, borderline OP, but since they both require skill to use most people don't use them. Instead they'll play as Fang Dong Feng an incredibly easy yet effective hero, same thing with Horus. If heroes are going to be OP I say let them be extremely hard to use so that hampers the OPness.


Lol, that is a stupid point.
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Re: Gaia needs balance

Post  Cyclo on Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:19 pm

THink about it this way, to Horus you might lose to a complete and utter noob who's far worse than you. Vs. a Janne player you can still own them on account of it's hard to use Janne even though Janne is strong/OP. So if it's OP but hard to use it's not going to be a noob magnet and they have to actually get good at the game while it doesn't punish people playing a hard character to then lose to a less skilled player using an easier character.


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Re: Gaia needs balance

Post  pacman on Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:32 pm

no there are 2 hard characters in this game: zava and soul.

nobody else is "hard enough that its ok if they are op"

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Post  SungJ on Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:34 pm

yay SH is okay to be OP xD I'm sure that will never happen though Sad

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Post  Modesty on Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:34 pm

That is still a stupid argument. And tbh it's not that hard to play Janne or Gaya so it does not really matter at IH-lvl. And why even bother talking about OP and balance in pubs. The game should be balanced around "perfect" play (so far its realistic), the same way you look at balance in SC2 at top lvl play, not bronze league.
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Post  SungJ on Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:36 pm

Gaia isn't the most OP thing but on the borderline clearly just because of the ult.
Things like Janne, Geist, Genesic, and Horus are going to be nerfed in next patch so just wait for that.
Fang is the one we should hope to get nerfed soon xD

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Post  >Fun< on Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:18 pm

I think the DPS of her Ulti isn't the imbalanced thing. But the cooldown for it is a bad joke. Only 10 seconds for an Ult that only costs 350 Mana, kills towers REALLY efficient and oneshots opponents in the right spot. If she camp's the watchtowers with a pot there's nothing u can do about it unless u gank her with a teammate. I think the rest is pretty balanced, but just mah own oppinion. Wink
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Re: Gaia needs balance

Post  Cyclo on Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:31 pm

You can't mess with Gaia's ult.'s cd otherwise you'd make the character worthless. Gaia uses it for everything, farming, pushing, pvp. If you get rid of it while not buffing anything else of Gaia's it will make her a shit character. I would favor an earthquake nerf to possible have more mana or reduced time on the earthquake.

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Post  pacman on Wed Nov 23, 2011 2:20 pm

all of the other t1 chars got nerfed except for her and fang. fang is getting massive nerfs next patch.

why no changes to gaia? she shuts down melee... and melee is designed to be anti-caster
she shuts down most casters early with v -> 2 shot
she pushes well
... and she's easy to use

why no nerfs?

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Re: Gaia needs balance

Post  SadFace on Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:42 pm

tbh the most efficient nerf imo is just up the mana cost... cos its just more efficient than sylon's ulti for creeping... but this wont really screw up much of the character (maybe i cba theory crafting enough to care)

also id like the spear dodgeable somehow without makin it worthless XD

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