{Character Tier Ranks} KR IH standard - 12/30

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Post  SadFace on Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:08 pm

or the alternative suggestion of givin him c at level 2

btw wat do u even use x for? (other than atm hes screwed at level 2 so has to use x to farm)

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Post  michi on Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:11 pm

make rons early game better pls,
1. buff his auto attack that his splash dmg also has dot like on target
or buff his z attack a bit, lvl 1 ron sucks so much.

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Post  Modesty on Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:15 pm

SadFace wrote:or the alternative suggestion of givin him c at level 2

btw wat do u even use x for? (other than atm hes screwed at level 2 so has to use x to farm)

That would work, and make z slow like blazing. =D

I use x sometimes vs tanks/turrets (but i dont think it is very efficient), and of course when you pot. But i hate it coz all Igntiz spells are radial except x so it really messes things up.
I think you should just make x like a storm or something.

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Post  SadFace on Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:29 am

btw is there any chance u can post an updated tier list?

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Post  SungJ on Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:29 am

I updated the list. If you want me to put this in a separate thread let me know.

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Post  NoonEe on Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:16 am

Tier 2 , here I come!
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Post  michi on Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:09 am

Thx. when we will get next patch which puts fang in t3 ?

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Post  anakko on Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:14 am

Wow, poor geist got nerfed so hard this time...

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Post  Cyclo on Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:31 pm

Thank you for the new tier list, is it just changed whenever a new Korean tourney comes out and a few people use some characters really well so then everyone starts using them in Korea which makes them tier 1?

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Post  pacman on Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:02 pm

lol why update the list if no patch?

FUCK YOU FANG DONG FENG

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Post  SadFace on Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:56 pm

top tier is back as the original top tier again XD

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Post  SungJ on Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:01 pm

Cyclo wrote:Thank you for the new tier list, is it just changed whenever a new Korean tourney comes out and a few people use some characters really well so then everyone starts using them in Korea which makes them tier 1?

I paid more attention on ban-picks than what they actually chose.

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Post  Cyclo on Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:25 pm

Ah okay, when do we get the FDF nerf. I really want it, badly. No more shall noobs carry games cas they know how to press z and f while playing as FDF.

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Post  SadFace on Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:58 pm

tbh its not the z and f that fucks it up cos when u essentially hit that range with any hero fang should be dead if u hav a slow in ur combo, the issue is getting to that point without losing 80% ur health to c and v while walkin through some inevitable dong fire... and most the time if u do decide to walk through all that shit hes not actually there so u gotta go back and heal otherwise he just pokes u again and ur dead

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Post  Cyclo on Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:20 am

I'm exaggerating and oversimplifying how to play Fang Dong Feng, but it doesn't really matter since he's an easy and OP hero. Alexander's Horus lost to Babonkers Fang Dong Feng even with some assistance from myself as Abel in the middle. Fang was able to kill Alex with 70% damage reduction.

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Post  Alexander on Wed Nov 23, 2011 7:39 am

Even if you nerf the damage reduction to 0%, a moving pylon like I have said before was, is and always will be the least amount of micro needed with any hero.

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Post  SadFace on Wed Nov 23, 2011 7:41 am

ease of play =/= balance of hero...

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Post  SungJ on Wed Nov 23, 2011 7:48 am

SadFace wrote:ease of play =/= balance of hero...

if ease of play = balance of hero, zava and soul hunter should be infinity tier

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Post  Alexander on Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:16 am

Here is a long and unnecessary explanation to give you a better idea.

It's not so much ease of play but rather key features in gameplay. Fang in this case has most of the highly desired features that make him literally the easiest hero to play. On the old forum a while ago I made a subjective list of main features that are seen in the game and which heroes essentially have the "most points" based on those factors.

The main elements of the game are:

1.) AoE skills
2.) Targetted skills
3.) Auto-Targeting skills
4.) Safeties / Defensive skills
5.) Traps
6.) Slow skills
8.) Autoattack (splash, speed, range, when box is done, etc.)
9.) Movement skills (Blink, Charge)
10.) Range of skills / Speed of projectiles

In some category certain sub-categories are more valuable than others. In "Defensive skills" obviously Monk and Janne have a higher value skill then a mode. And in the last one, Abel's blink has a higher value than Soul Hunter or Zava because of its range and versatility going into the dark.

All of these end up giving a theoretical value that represents the overall ease of play of a given hero.

Let's take two heroes, Zava and Fang.

Zava

Positives:

1.) Blink
2.) All skills are relatively AoE
3.) Auto-targetting balls
4.) Good slow

Negatives:

1.) Autoattack can be split against
2.) Limited blink range
3.) Attacks have to be aimed at a specific point and in sequence
4.) Easy to kill
5.) Short range for slow

Fang

Positives:

1.) Cannot be split against autoattack (very hard and it's not even worth the aggro you get).
2.) Auto-attack spiders
3.) Auto-attack ulti
4.) Long range skills
5.) Slow skill
6.) Trap
7.) Damage reduction/Defensive skill

Negatives:

1.) No blink

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As you can see Fang is actually the only hero in the game that has all the favorable attributes with only one negative aspect which really isn't that statistically significant. There are a few other heroes that have similar power like Abel and Janne. Janne is the only other hero that comes close to that kind of versatility though and that's why she has received numerous nerfs, but the thing that trumps everything is that Fang has an auto-attacking ranged mode that also gives him defensive bonus.

TL;DR

Fang OP yo ez mode hero wtf

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Post  Cyclo on Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:47 pm

For a long time I've been saying Fang Dong Feng is a noob magnet because of those factors and now with all the buffs he's now a good hero that is simultaneously easy.

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Post  Alexander on Wed Nov 23, 2011 7:29 pm

LOL @ noob magnet. I know, I'm a total noob for playing him right?

SHOULD HAVE BANNED SAMARION Mad

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Post  pacman on Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:12 am

^ lol no. artemis was gonna use fang. it was gonna be a secret suprise, but now that fang = t3, i dont think thats ever gonna happen.

anway, any time estimates on the new patch?
seriously semikim, pass the tardy sauce.

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Post  Villain999 on Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:48 pm

Is BH in t1 like forever?? cant remember him in a lower t rank .o0

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Post  SadFace on Sun Dec 18, 2011 5:32 pm

he was t2 for last patch along with zava o_0

tbh the 3 standard t1 characters are basicaly zava,abel and bh... and imo a team with all 3 chars is probably the most balanced and powerful team around but thats entirely my opinion (tho i do think b9 is pretty scary as part of a team as well)

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Post  SungJ on Sat Dec 31, 2011 12:13 am

Updated 12/30. Will post on the other forum too.

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