{Character Tier Ranks} KR IH standard - 12/30

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{Character Tier Ranks} KR IH standard - 12/30

Post  SungJ on Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:51 pm

(This is merely a reference I collected from Korean CT websites. Do not take this list too truthfully or seriously.)

(Characters are listed in standard of our current version. I will try to update the list when each patch occurs.)



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1 = [Best]
-Berr Nine
-Soul Hunter
-Abel
-Force Fire
-Arcane
-Genesic Hunter
-Blade Hunter
-Zava
-Fang Dong Feng
-Samarion
-Gaia
-Fobos

2 = [Good]
-Megagun Zord
-Sylon
-Janne D'Arc
-Mighty Monk
-Vagullion
-Hades
-Lur Cellant
-Chimera
-Drago
-Krizard
-Mechatron
-Quakers
-Orochi

3 = [Decent]
-Phantom Gazette
-Brai
-Dark Fact
-ZeDait
-Guard Fire
-Duran
-Igniz
-Zeros
-Ron
-Horus
-Geist
-Neiram

4 = [Out of Fashion]
-Dwarven King


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Re: {Character Tier Ranks} KR IH standard - 12/30

Post  nobeardasian on Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:59 pm

Tier 3..epic depression activated

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Re: {Character Tier Ranks} KR IH standard - 12/30

Post  PurpleSabbath on Wed Oct 26, 2011 8:23 pm

Interesting... The heros I like are tier 2/3/4 : Ron, Soul Hunter, Chimera, Dark Fact.

I'm going to play and seek replays of Tier 1. I might even write a guide or two to get reactions.
And I can't kill with Genesic even though I farm/kill bunker easily.

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Post  michi on Wed Oct 26, 2011 8:26 pm

thx, thats realy intresting.

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Re: {Character Tier Ranks} KR IH standard - 12/30

Post  pacman on Wed Oct 26, 2011 8:28 pm

LOL every single one of my mains is t2 Sad Mad Evil or Very Mad Suspect Sad

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Re: {Character Tier Ranks} KR IH standard - 12/30

Post  SungJ on Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:09 pm

In the next patch Janne and Geist will be nerfed.

B9's armageddon will be nerfed and BM gun will be buffed so she will mantain top tier.

Otherwise so far I think most characters will mantain the same ranks.

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Re: {Character Tier Ranks} KR IH standard - 12/30

Post  pacman on Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:32 pm

good, good. almost exactly my thoughts... i think semi is letting the metagame develop before changing horus, though (but i'm pretty sure he will nerf horus).

can you explain why genesic is considered better than bh? i always suspected it was true, and neither of them have changed for a while, so i guess it just took people a while to figure it out. i have my reason's but i wonder why the koreans think he is top tier.

also, i'm suprised people don't pick zava first tier (?!). this has to be the first time that not a single one of: abel, mega, the melees besides genesic, and zava haven't been picked as t1....


FUUUUUUUUU SEMI FOR NERFING MY MAINS T_T

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Re: {Character Tier Ranks} KR IH standard - 12/30

Post  Alexander on Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:41 pm

Leave Horus alone Very Happy

lol @ nobeard

Make final blow cost 500 mana plz

Also - B9 buff the gun? that's going to be crazy.

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Post  SadFace on Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:48 pm

gh has more push power and same sorta combo as bh so i guess thats why also the whole golem spam can be a bit ridiculous if u can stay alive well

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Re: {Character Tier Ranks} KR IH standard - 12/30

Post  SungJ on Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:53 pm

@pacman: Blade Hunter and Zava are still the characters that have least counters as it used to be if rightly used.
Semi didn't nerf them at all, it was just IUPrime's constant effort to nerf them if those mattered at all.
The bigger problem is, the most of the "best" characters do not seem to be weak vs their traditional counters.

GeneSic, with his Aura (z move) reducing 25% damage and having already 5 health points,
never dies and yet has enough burst to never lose in pvp except versus Horus.

Semi is currently wondering what to do with Fang Dong Feng and Horus.
Fang's hardest counter used to be Zava but now with v buffed and ult decent,
Fang can tolerate even Zava's burst and his v attack makes any blink or range-based ability useless.
Horus as you pointed out is going through a huge change so we will have to wait to get it stablized.

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Re: {Character Tier Ranks} KR IH standard - 12/30

Post  pacman on Wed Oct 26, 2011 10:17 pm

omg lol totally forgot about the 25% percent buff on genesic...

what do you mean fang's v skill makes blink and ranged attacks useless??

imo some good counters to fang are those that can shut him down really hard early game: forcefire, zava, chimera, and a really agressive bh/zedait/hades

some other wild card counters are (lol brace yourself...) quakers, mode-lur, and drago (!??!).

idk about drago tho lol. maybe i was just playing against a bad fang.



edit: where are drago and quakers in the tier list?

edit: no. hook blows vs fang

edit: ok thanks for adding them. im suprised, drago was t1 only a month ago


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Re: {Character Tier Ranks} KR IH standard - 12/30

Post  Modesty on Wed Oct 26, 2011 10:19 pm

i think hook lur works vs fag dong
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Re: {Character Tier Ranks} KR IH standard - 12/30

Post  Thrallsa on Wed Oct 26, 2011 10:21 pm

This is rather interesting, I have 2 mains, BH and geist atm (although with geist I forgot the ulti destroy janne's shield so I'm depressed)

Hooray for me not having any mains below tier 2 xD

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Re: {Character Tier Ranks} KR IH standard - 12/30

Post  michi on Wed Oct 26, 2011 10:34 pm

always thought blinkers are t1, also my poor ron is just t3 Sad .
intresting that in eu T2 heroes are way more played than T1.

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Re: {Character Tier Ranks} KR IH standard - 12/30

Post  pacman on Wed Oct 26, 2011 10:47 pm

???

the only t2 heros i have seen used in eu are bh (me) abel (supah sometimes) and forcefire (me and rooib).

at least 2 players in all the games i have been in are t1... especially janne.

lol ron is so silly. he is anti-melee but is hard-countered by all the melees Very Happy

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Re: {Character Tier Ranks} KR IH standard - 12/30

Post  Alexander on Thu Oct 27, 2011 12:11 am

Are these listings in order even within each tier? I.e is B9 counted "better" than Janne or are they just all equal since they are in T1?

Don't see how Zava is strongest counter to Fang at all. At least with the fang build I do, Zava is very squishy. There are a lot of counters to fang and they mostly revolve around doing burst damage or like Hades controlling space better. Even with Genesic though, in the semi finals I won the lane versus Pseudoku in the end, so you need someone that can trap or severely slow + the burst damage I've found. Quakers, Horus, Guard Fire, Krizard, etc.

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Re: {Character Tier Ranks} KR IH standard - 12/30

Post  Pseudoku on Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:28 am

Alexander wrote:Are these listings in order even within each tier? I.e is B9 counted "better" than Janne or are they just all equal since they are in T1?

Don't see how Zava is strongest counter to Fang at all. At least with the fang build I do, Zava is very squishy. There are a lot of counters to fang and they mostly revolve around doing burst damage or like Hades controlling space better. Even with Genesic though, in the semi finals I won the lane versus Pseudoku in the end, so you need someone that can trap or severely slow + the burst damage I've found. Quakers, Horus, Guard Fire, Krizard, etc.

By the way, you didn't win the lane, I was just forced to help out my team mates' lanes. If you watch the replay, you should see that I had to spend a lot of time in middle.

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Re: {Character Tier Ranks} KR IH standard - 12/30

Post  mishenex on Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:10 am

1 = [Best]
-Berr Nine
-Janne D'Arc
-Hades
-Arcane
-GeneSic Hunter
-Horus
-Fang Dong Feng
-Geist
-Gaia

updated. thx


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Re: {Character Tier Ranks} KR IH standard - 12/30

Post  Alexander on Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:18 am

In any case, fang > genesic was the point.

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Re: {Character Tier Ranks} KR IH standard - 12/30

Post  pacman on Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:05 am

mishen: wait wuhhhh!??!!?

i'm not sure i understand, so correct me if i'm wrong. that is your list in order of best to worst?! and you crossed out janne because you think she doesn't belong on the list?
i hope i'm misunderstanding you Embarassed

this is my view of t1 in order from best to worst:
1. janne
3. hades/b9/fang/horus (i would raise horus, but i haven't figured out the new metagame quite yet)
4. geist genesoc
5. arcane/gaia



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Re: {Character Tier Ranks} KR IH standard - 12/30

Post  ThorHammer on Thu Oct 27, 2011 5:28 am

Pseudoku wrote:
Alexander wrote:Are these listings in order even within each tier? I.e is B9 counted "better" than Janne or are they just all equal since they are in T1?

Don't see how Zava is strongest counter to Fang at all. At least with the fang build I do, Zava is very squishy. There are a lot of counters to fang and they mostly revolve around doing burst damage or like Hades controlling space better. Even with Genesic though, in the semi finals I won the lane versus Pseudoku in the end, so you need someone that can trap or severely slow + the burst damage I've found. Quakers, Horus, Guard Fire, Krizard, etc.

By the way, you didn't win the lane, I was just forced to help out my team mates' lanes. If you watch the replay, you should see that I had to spend a lot of time in middle.

someone's ego got bruised Rolling Eyes

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Re: {Character Tier Ranks} KR IH standard - 12/30

Post  SungJ on Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:24 am

Honestly how people see Janne right now is very different depending on what character you play.

For people who stick to a lot of pot-heavy melee/killing heroes like pac (BH/FF) Janne will be one of hardest opponents,

while people who play Janne or characters that can win lane vs Janne (e.g. Chimera, Samarion, etc.)

will not think of Janne as that big of a threat.

I guess it's mainly because the way Janne has forcefields balls and shields are extremely postion-oriented.

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Re: {Character Tier Ranks} KR IH standard - 12/30

Post  SadFace on Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:26 am

btw alex u cant burst damage a fang that stays at range 982738123612873 and if u try to approach u run into a bunch of mini dongs and still dont really hav sight of fang, his c v will reduce creep easily if u try to lane push him and he also cuts ur health down periodically with c/v and just wear u down and if u get impatient ur just gonna get ruined, fang is a hero with essentially no counters if u play him positionally and patiently simply cos of his range and harassment as well as being able to tank blink combos now (well not sh's but sh just gets destroyed by the sheer amount of AA that fang has)

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Re: {Character Tier Ranks} KR IH standard - 12/30

Post  Evilshady on Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:21 pm

yay my mains Chimera, Phantom and Guardfire are spread over Tier 2- Tier 4....

but since everybody + his mom is maining jeanne, and since its a bitch move to main horus or fang, aaaand since i suck with hades, gaia and genesic (and since im no geist nub lol) im gonna stick to chimera.

Matter of fact, im bit surprised about genesic tier 1, but besides from that, tier 1 looks exactly like i thought.

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Post  NoonEe on Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:42 pm

Not that much ppl main Janne in EU... on inhouse level at least. Only... 4. Its not a bitch move to main a hero who is beeing flamed 24/7 ^_^
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